[Feedback] Improvements and Feedback to Bots/AI

373 votes

- Have every bot drop a deployable between assault waves, regardless of what the team needs. I often find myself so close to "needing" something but the bots just wont drop anything.

- Give bots a health boost, or improve their AI, so that clearing Overkill difficulty in solo is possible

- Randomize bot weapons or give them an entire pseudo loadout (random weapons, skills) to make them feel more refreshing and unique. Also randomize the actual heister that the bots can be (so that the bots aren't always locked into the core 4 heisters)

- Let bots throw grenades (or other throwables) occasionally

These ideas should hopefully help bots emulate real players better while making it easier for solo players to complete heists on the hardest difficulty.

Open for Discussion Feedback Suggested by: Xero (21 Sep, '23) • Upvoted: yesterday • Comments: 109

Comments: 109

02 Aug, '23
Felps Merged
The IA offline team could have more functions, such as trading, picking up the money bags alone and mainly throwing the money bag in the van alone would greatly improve the game's offline
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02 Aug, '23
Felps Merged
The team could have more functions like, negotiating the hostages to save time, Helping with the objectives, for example in this beta you had to get the bag to set it on fire and there were several bags the team could pick up and throw there to help you, They could also pick up the money bag and playing in the Van alone, would greatly improve the offline game
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03 Aug, '23
Snaex Admin Merged
"[Feedback] IA" (suggested by Felps on 2023-08-02), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
04 Aug, '23
Kamesen'in Merged
As a long time Payday fan it genuinely hurts me to type this but I can only hope this is seen and spoken on.

The AI in this game are even more worthless than the AI in Payday 2, constantly vaulting over/climbing under objects for no reason when half the time it gets them killed in gunfights. The fact AI heisters STILL can't pick up bags or toss them in the van by themselves is absolutely ridiculous even Crime Boss: Rockay City got this right and they don't have 2 games worth of insight like Payday 3. Also side note it feels like you have to be SUPER precise when throwing bags at the bots when in Payday 2 you could just kinda toss it their way and they'd receive it, now if you don't get it square on their back their not getting the bag.

Very unimpressed with this game. You guys have ALOT of polish to do before release!
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05 Aug, '23
Cloud Merged
I'm noticing a lot of the same problems with the AI that payday 2 had. A good chunk of them just stare at me and don't shoot, or are extremely late to react. Also, I feel like they don't utilize the map as much as the devs talked about. I don't see them taking cover super often, I don't see them doing formations that often, etc. There were moments of sheer cinematic bliss where the AI did all of these things together, but it's so few and far between. Extremely inconsistent overall.
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05 Aug, '23
Shiro Merged
Apon going loud the ai wouldn't shoot any enemies nor did they seem to take any damage. When they resurrected me I was cuffed.

Possibly caused by gaining agro of officers in the negotiation faze
07 Aug, '23
Kamesen'in Merged
The AI in this game feels like it hasn't been touched up at all sense Payday 2, constantly vaulting over/climbing under objects for no reason when half the time it gets them killed in gunfights. The fact AI heisters STILL can't pick up bags or toss them in the van by themselves is absolutely ridiculous even Crime Boss: Rockay City got this right and they didn't get 2 games worth of insight like Payday 3.

Also side note it feels like you have to be SUPER precise when throwing bags at the bots when in Payday 2 you could just kind of toss it their way and they'd receive it, now if you don't get it square on their back they're not getting the bag.

Been here sense Payday 1 I wanna see this game take a next step and not just stagnate like so many amazing series did before it
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07 Aug, '23
Shievo Admin Merged
"[Bug] Ai not Participating" (suggested by Shiro on 2023-08-05), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
07 Aug, '23
Guy Man Merged
I am uncertain if this has already been examined, but in my time in the beta team-sided bots seemingly couldn't understand that they were dying from standing in gas grenades.
This means that in solo play or with only 1 other teammate, a grenadier can teamwipe the bots, as they will make no effort to escape the gas if they are presently within it.
08 Aug, '23
Snaex Admin Merged
"[Feedback] AI NEEDS to be better" (suggested by Kamesen'in on 2023-08-04), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
08 Aug, '23
Snaex Admin Merged
"[Feedback] Enemy AI is inconsistent" (suggested by Cloud on 2023-08-05), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
08 Aug, '23
Snaex Admin Merged
"Bots & grenadeds" (suggested by Guy Man on 2023-08-07), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
09 Sep, '23
Jiri Kriz Merged
I tried another game today.

And this game made me wonder what is missing in PAYDAY.
Because in this game the AI team helps with the robbery by collecting the loot itself and not only that, because when the player throws a bag of loot either on their back or on the ground, they can pick it up from the ground and then they carry it themselves to the van or to the designated location where the loot bag belongs.

And exactly that kind of behavior is missing in PayDay.
Now in PAYDAY the way it works is that the AI team attacks the cops. Or the player can throw a bag on the AI team's back, but the AI team goes and follows the player, so in the end the AI team doesn't help much.
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10 Sep, '23
MrPayday3Himself Merged
So many stealth heists gone loud because of this, I am controlling a room and my teammate gets cuffed. A search happens and pagers are still allowed

I wait a moment before going to uncuff him and an AI runs in guns blazing to fuck it all up
12 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin Merged
"[Feedback] Team member AI behavior" (suggested by Jiri Kriz on 2023-09-09), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
13 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin Merged
"[Feedback] AI team doesnt uncuff human player if there is more than 1 player" (suggested by payday3 on 2023-09-10), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
19 Sep, '23
raglcoud Merged
unlike payday 2 if a bot goes down revive it is a task of the player and i dont see it quite fitting knowing how frigile they are
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19 Sep, '23
Neeko Merged
I'm not saying make them alot better, im just saying when your transporting 10+ bags solo the bots help, until they make the decision to stand in one location for an indefinite amount of time until they ultimately go down and leave one of your bags in the middle of a hoard of police. They also seem to prioritize shooting over reviving other bots or god forbid you the player. Just a suggestion though. At higher difficulties (Very Hard+) the bots are obsoletely useless. You end up reviving the bots constantly and then when you go down with 2 downs left the game is over because they cannot prioritize reviving you over shooting at shields. I realize this enforces teamwork with other players, but when im constantly being put in empty lobbies I haft to rely on bots for some level of assistance.
22 Sep, '23
Leeb Merged
I'm only advocating this for stealth while mask is still off, but just let the AI help carry bags to the van when there's no chance of getting caught in a public area with a bag anyway.

The only part of stealth I've never enjoyed has been when there is no risk of getting caught.. but you still have the chore of walking back and forth with a bunch of bags to the van.

If you still haven't put on your mask, I would like to see the AI heisters take a bag directly to the van if you give them a bag in a public area.

I'm not sure how I feel about this if you are stealth with mask on because getting to the van is part of the challenge.. but with all masks still off, why not? Its just less walking back and forth.
22 Sep, '23
Andreas Sebastian Zoch Merged
I want to suggest to make bots help eachother again too. Also it would be great if the bots would be a little bit smarter and use available nearby cover more often and prioritize the reviveing of teammates over fighting.
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22 Sep, '23
Chokun Merged
they stuck in nightclub mission can't move and ruin my run and they can't even revive each other make them more useless
22 Sep, '23
ProperGander Merged
Make a ping system where you tell your AI crew what to do. First, aim at a crew member and hit the "shout" button to "select" them. Then you have some options.
-Select the crew member's upper body to order them to follow you.
-Select their legs to order them to hold position.
-Select another crew member to order your selection to provide cover/revive. This way you can have your partners spread out.
-Select an objective to have them interact with it; they won't interact with more complex things like keypads.
-Select a loot bag to have them pick it up and regroup with you.
-Select a loot drop-off point to have them start moving any loot on the map to extraction. They'll prioritize reviving downed crew members within range.
-In stealth, the above command can also be issued, but not if the route goes through a private area that currently has any patrolling guards, and not at all if there is an active search.
23 Sep, '23
kawaiiterrorist Merged
Cooperative AI neither call out to mark special enemies nor do they announce when they've killed a special enemy. Very strange features to lack given they've been able to do this since Payday: The Heist.
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23 Sep, '23
Matthew Merged
In Payday 2 we had a means of controlling where bots stand with "Hold" which was usually keybound to 'Z'. I would like to see some kind of functionality for Payday 3.
23 Sep, '23
Deviant Merged
The bots basically need babysitting for example trying to play road rage solo on overkill the bots go down near enough the first 30 seconds of an assault.

boosted health or the ability to change their loadouts would be incredibly helpful
also if they could revive each other so I didn't have to put myself into danger and lure all of them out which die in seconds would be fantastic
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24 Sep, '23
Fox Merged
I tend to do Road Rage on hard and trying to do Very Hard but the bots aren't useful enough for me to revive each other when one of them goes down. Also bots are much dumber now as they stay in Naders gas constantly and many times when I've been cloakered or downed, they struggle to save me. I need the bots due to the fact I struggle have people in my game.
24 Sep, '23
Dave Merged
If you're playing solo and drop a bag to an AI it could either go to the drop-off point to drop it or just move faster, because as it stands just hauling all the bags to the drop off point is the longest part of solo stealth heists.
24 Sep, '23
Miles Fox Merged
First - make AI's position count in "Stand in Circles" objectives. Second - add ability to tell them to stay at desired position. It could work like that: You add a waypoint with MMB where you want them to stand, then call any of crewmates by MMB and they come to that exact waypoint and stand there until you call them again or, well, they die.
24 Sep, '23
Mo Merged
Every time i try to delay assault by traiding civilians, bots are killing cops and this is canceling the trading. I cant use full strenght of that feature.
Make something about that (Bots not being able to shout during trading phase or killing cops dosent start assaults) or add an option to unable the bots.
25 Sep, '23
TheGiorgio Merged
Having an option to customize the bots, including their clothing, mask, weapons, and also allowing them to have perks or skills that help us passively and/or actively in the game like PD2
25 Sep, '23
Kable Merged
I did No Rest for the Wicked solo and I got cuffed. I called for help, and Chains uncuffed me. However after that he was masked on and roaming around like a maniac. When he saw a guard he just shot him without hesitation.

It would be neat if we could for example do what WolfHUD did in payday 2, to make the AI stationary with the emote wheel.
26 Sep, '23
Sneakyjeff Merged
I do like the idea of the bots dropping the bag in the van or picking up. Sometimes it can be a hassle trying to grab the bags off the AI and has caused me to go down a few times trying to throw them into the escape van when i could be focused on shooting down the resistance.
26 Sep, '23
[redacted] Merged
When playing a solo stealth heist, the rest of the team do not mask up. If you get downed by falling damage, none of your AI team will come get you back up even if you emote for help.
26 Sep, '23
Shievo Admin Merged
"[Bug] - Team AI" (suggested by [redacted] on 2023-09-26), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"AI special enemy callouts" (suggested by kawaiiterrorist on 2023-09-23), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Better AI in stealth" (suggested by Kable on 2023-09-25), including upvotes (2) and comments (2), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Solo heist ai change" (suggested by Dave on 2023-09-24), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"[Feedback] Improve AI" (suggested by Deviant on 2023-09-23), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Fix teammate ai pls" (suggested by Chokun on 2023-09-22), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Bot's Don't Revive Each Other on Loud, they let each other bleed out." (suggested by Fox on 2023-09-24), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Bot Hold/Defend position" (suggested by Matthew on 2023-09-23), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Bot commands - make your AI crew useful" (suggested by ProperGander on 2023-09-22), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Bots in stealth" (suggested by Mo on 2023-09-24), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"[Feedback] Bots doesn't revive eachother - let them do so" (suggested by raglcoud on 2023-09-19), including upvotes (38) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Customize the bots" (suggested by TheGiorgio on 2023-09-25), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"Allow AI heisters carry their equiped lootbag to the van as long as all players are still mask off" (suggested by Leeb on 2023-09-22), including upvotes (1) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.
26 Sep, '23
Snaex Admin
"[Feedback] Better Bots for Private/solo lobbies" (suggested by Neeko on 2023-09-19), including upvotes (3) and comments (1), was merged into this suggestion.
27 Sep, '23
Andreas Sebastian Zoch
I agree that bots get downed way to fast on overkill. I just get stuck in a loop of helping them up over and over again until I am down myself. I also think bots shouldn't all charge at a bulldozer and fall to the ground right in front of it. I think it's good that bots don't start defeating bulldozers for the players, but for them to put themselves at his mercy is just sabotage. In my experience, very few people actually want to try to complete the heist loud after a stealth failure on very hard and overkill difficulty. Often the players vote to restart the game directly or they simply leave the game. When I then just want to try, the bots tend to get in the way and shoot me in the back rather than being really helpful. I would also be really happy if the bots get a check to see if there is something between them and their target so that they shoot less at their fellow bots and players. I know it doesn't do any damage at the moment, but unfortunately the screenshake remains.
27 Sep, '23
sh1ver
Simply put, I'd be happy if they could revert the Bots to their unmodded Payday2-level strength. If the developers feel that a Bot with 8000 health that regenerates when not taking damage for a second is too strong, then they could just reduce the Bot's firepower in Payday3. At the very least, it's ridiculous for Bots to be doing weight training in prison before the players, which is laughable.
27 Sep, '23
Squid Merged
Right now, crew AI will let other crew AI simply bleed out, even while stood directly next to them. This makes solo play incredibly rough as going into custody is nearly a guaranteed heist failure and reviving downed AI constantly isn't viable.
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